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Robert Williams Posts: 2,255
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23/10/24 - 07:21 #26027
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Radio 3 is back to normal and won't require a 1 or 6 sync. They just need to make sure 5L syncs in with R2, and this won't be difficult if the presenters start the news time like they did during COVID. I seem to remember 5L Breakfast didn't opt in to the Tina D summaries, they just had their two anchor presenters read the summaries, usually alternating between them for each story. If this still happens, then 5L will only need to sync with R2 between 9am and 11pm.
On the point about not running to time, 6M usually doesn't start its summaries on time. One could ask why doesn't 6M sync in with R2 while they are at it, however this wouldn't provide any cost saving as the same newsreader reads the 6M on the half hour, so may as well keep as is.
I think 5 Live has news summaries on the half hour throughout the day as well as on the hour? Could those end up being simulcast with 6 Music, otherwise who is going to read those summaries if there is only one newsreader across Radios 2, 5 and 6?
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23/10/24 - 07:58 #26028
Robert Williams wrote: »
alex13 wrote: »
Radio 3 is back to normal and won't require a 1 or 6 sync. They just need to make sure 5L syncs in with R2, and this won't be difficult if the presenters start the news time like they did during COVID. I seem to remember 5L Breakfast didn't opt in to the Tina D summaries, they just had their two anchor presenters read the summaries, usually alternating between them for each story. If this still happens, then 5L will only need to sync with R2 between 9am and 11pm.
On the point about not running to time, 6M usually doesn't start its summaries on time. One could ask why doesn't 6M sync in with R2 while they are at it, however this wouldn't provide any cost saving as the same newsreader reads the 6M on the half hour, so may as well keep as is.
I think 5 Live has news summaries on the half hour throughout the day as well as on the hour? Could those end up being simulcast with 6 Music, otherwise who is going to read those summaries if there is only one newsreader across Radios 2, 5 and 6?
Can’t the presenters do what heart do and pre record the bulletin 10 mins before for some of the stations but play as live?
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alex13 Posts: 231
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23/10/24 - 09:24 #26029
The BBC always read the news live.
Except ask your Smart speaker to play BBC news, which will simply play the latest R2 summary available.
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23/10/24 - 10:10 #26030
alex13 wrote: »
The BBC always read the news live.
Apart from at BBC Local Radio, where after 2pm, and at weekends, one newsreader will record bulletins for multiple stations in the same regional group.
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steepdrop Posts: 8,270
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23/10/24 - 10:40 edited 23/10/24 - 10:43 #26031
Robert Williams wrote: »
alex13 wrote: »
Radio 3 is back to normal and won't require a 1 or 6 sync. They just need to make sure 5L syncs in with R2, and this won't be difficult if the presenters start the news time like they did during COVID. I seem to remember 5L Breakfast didn't opt in to the Tina D summaries, they just had their two anchor presenters read the summaries, usually alternating between them for each story. If this still happens, then 5L will only need to sync with R2 between 9am and 11pm.
On the point about not running to time, 6M usually doesn't start its summaries on time. One could ask why doesn't 6M sync in with R2 while they are at it, however this wouldn't provide any cost saving as the same newsreader reads the 6M on the half hour, so may as well keep as is.
I think 5 Live has news summaries on the half hour throughout the day as well as on the hour? Could those end up being simulcast with 6 Music, otherwise who is going to read those summaries if there is only one newsreader across Radios 2, 5 and 6?
I remember when Capital had headlines on the half hour read by the DJ-long ago before the days of mass voicetracking!.
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23/10/24 - 10:54 #26032
steepdrop wrote: »
Robert Williams wrote: »
alex13 wrote: »
Radio 3 is back to normal and won't require a 1 or 6 sync. They just need to make sure 5L syncs in with R2, and this won't be difficult if the presenters start the news time like they did during COVID. I seem to remember 5L Breakfast didn't opt in to the Tina D summaries, they just had their two anchor presenters read the summaries, usually alternating between them for each story. If this still happens, then 5L will only need to sync with R2 between 9am and 11pm.
On the point about not running to time, 6M usually doesn't start its summaries on time. One could ask why doesn't 6M sync in with R2 while they are at it, however this wouldn't provide any cost saving as the same newsreader reads the 6M on the half hour, so may as well keep as is.
I think 5 Live has news summaries on the half hour throughout the day as well as on the hour? Could those end up being simulcast with 6 Music, otherwise who is going to read those summaries if there is only one newsreader across Radios 2, 5 and 6?
I remember when Capital had headlines on the half hour read by the DJ-long ago before the days of mass voicetracking!.
Although in the 70s, during Graham Dean's breakfast show, Douglas Cameron (of LBC/IRN) did the half past hour headlines. It couldn't have been live (because Doug was doing the LBC Breakfast show) so they must have been sent to Capital pre recorded. Perhaps it was available to all the ILRs ?
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FM Lover Posts: 51,445
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23/10/24 - 11:09 edited 23/10/24 - 11:10 #26033
Mark C wrote: »
steepdrop wrote: »
Robert Williams wrote: »
alex13 wrote: »
Radio 3 is back to normal and won't require a 1 or 6 sync. They just need to make sure 5L syncs in with R2, and this won't be difficult if the presenters start the news time like they did during COVID. I seem to remember 5L Breakfast didn't opt in to the Tina D summaries, they just had their two anchor presenters read the summaries, usually alternating between them for each story. If this still happens, then 5L will only need to sync with R2 between 9am and 11pm.
On the point about not running to time, 6M usually doesn't start its summaries on time. One could ask why doesn't 6M sync in with R2 while they are at it, however this wouldn't provide any cost saving as the same newsreader reads the 6M on the half hour, so may as well keep as is.
I think 5 Live has news summaries on the half hour throughout the day as well as on the hour? Could those end up being simulcast with 6 Music, otherwise who is going to read those summaries if there is only one newsreader across Radios 2, 5 and 6?
I remember when Capital had headlines on the half hour read by the DJ-long ago before the days of mass voicetracking!.
Although in the 70s, during Graham Dean's breakfast show, Douglas Cameron (of LBC/IRN) did the half past hour headlines. It couldn't have been live (because Doug was doing the LBC Breakfast show) so they must have been sent to Capital pre recorded. Perhaps it was available to all the ILRs ?
The days when IRN provided the news to the commercial stations so they needed to hit the TOTH bang on. Douglas would provide the hourly bulletins from LBC's studios across the country and would assume the half hourly bulletins were recorded.
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23/10/24 - 11:45 #26034
Radio Wyvern took IRN at the top of the hour and the local news was read straight afterwards. If a small station like that can hit the hour bang on I'm sure the might of the Beeb could manage it
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23/10/24 - 11:49 #26035
23rd Oct must be earliest airing of Do They Know It's Christmas on Radio 2? Vine playing it now, context is discussion on Ethiopian famine, so not really Xmas related.
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23/10/24 - 11:51 #26036
pjex wrote: »
23rd Oct must be earliest airing of Do They Know It's Christmas on Radio 2? Vine playing it now, context is discussion on Ethiopian famine, so not really Xmas related.
Yes it's 40 years since Michael Burke's report
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23/10/24 - 12:07 #26037
Smylers wrote: »
jimbo wrote: »
1300 is after the poos anyway.
Hi, @jimbo. Normally I'm quite good at mentally untangling your typos, but you've lost me on this one.
pips?
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23/10/24 - 12:21 #26038
Shrewn wrote: »
pjex wrote: »
23rd Oct must be earliest airing of Do They Know It's Christmas on Radio 2? Vine playing it now, context is discussion on Ethiopian famine, so not really Xmas related.
Yes it's 40 years since Michael Burke's report
And for a change, the show (certainly the first hour) wasn't full on tabloid 🙂. Two serious subjects handled in a grown up way..... without the need for gobshites with entrenched views arguing with each other.
Why can't it always be like that? Tina and Paddy manage it.3
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23/10/24 - 12:56 #26039
bluestraw wrote: »
Smylers wrote: »
jimbo wrote: »
1300 is after the poos anyway.
Hi, @jimbo. Normally I'm quite good at mentally untangling your typos, but you've lost me on this one.
pips?
Yes pips I meant sorry
R2 did provide 5 live news on the hour at breakfast from 16 March 2020.
6 music newsreader starts at 0700 reading half hourly news from then until 0939, then hourly on the half hour. Thus newsreader is on Radio 2 1000-1309 inclusiveThe 6 music final bulletin if any day is 2130.
Radio 2 news afternoon shift is 1400-2200 inclusive
Overnight 2300-9600, weekends 2309-0700 inclusiveFor IRN on the hour was live, news on the half hour was not always on a clock start if I remember rightly. URN did provide news on the half hour on a clock start during the budget (while the speech was in progress) during the 1989s at least - possibly vefire- and during the 1991 Gulf War. The same newsreader did both the TOH and BOH bulletins. But not sure when overnight the BOH bulletins did not happen but they were throughout the day.
As for 6 music bulletins, not sure how this will be affected yet given there is no bulletins on 6 music overnight
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alex13 Posts: 231
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23/10/24 - 13:01 edited 23/10/24 - 13:05 #26040
jimbo wrote: »
Yes pips I meant sorry
R2 did provide 5 live news on the hour at breakfast from 16 March 2020.
6 music newsreader starts at 0700 reading half hourly news from then until 0939, then hourly on the half hour. Thus newsreader is on Radio 2 1000-1309 inclusiveThe 6 music final bulletin if any day is 2130.
Radio 2 news afternoon shift is 1400-2200 inclusive
Overnight 2300-9600, weekends 2309-0700 inclusiveI am not sure why the overnight newsreader has to stay on until 7am on weekends when they could just bring the first newsreader on from 7am as they would do on weekdays (to read the 6M). As a result, the second newsreader (i.e. 1400-2200 shift you describe) ends up being 1500-2200 at weekends instead, because of the first newsreader starting at 8 instead of 7, thus having a knock on effect. This could explain why the 2300 news isn't read on a Friday or Saturday so that the overnight newsreader can work 0000-0700 instead of 2300-0600?
Anyhow, when the changes come into effect next April, they will only require two of these newsreaders, not three; the overnight shift will axed. The overnight shift, incidentally, is the only one that is undertaken at NBH so they can double up with script writing (inc. for R4's NB); the other two daytime shifts are done from the Radio 2/6M studios.
Regarding the additional Breakfast newsreading shift, were they to share the summaries with 6M, they could probably do away with that one too...
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steepdrop Posts: 8,270
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23/10/24 - 13:22 edited 23/10/24 - 13:23 #26041
Mark C wrote: »
steepdrop wrote: »
Robert Williams wrote: »
alex13 wrote: »
Radio 3 is back to normal and won't require a 1 or 6 sync. They just need to make sure 5L syncs in with R2, and this won't be difficult if the presenters start the news time like they did during COVID. I seem to remember 5L Breakfast didn't opt in to the Tina D summaries, they just had their two anchor presenters read the summaries, usually alternating between them for each story. If this still happens, then 5L will only need to sync with R2 between 9am and 11pm.
On the point about not running to time, 6M usually doesn't start its summaries on time. One could ask why doesn't 6M sync in with R2 while they are at it, however this wouldn't provide any cost saving as the same newsreader reads the 6M on the half hour, so may as well keep as is.
I think 5 Live has news summaries on the half hour throughout the day as well as on the hour? Could those end up being simulcast with 6 Music, otherwise who is going to read those summaries if there is only one newsreader across Radios 2, 5 and 6?
I remember when Capital had headlines on the half hour read by the DJ-long ago before the days of mass voicetracking!.
Although in the 70s, during Graham Dean's breakfast show, Douglas Cameron (of LBC/IRN) did the half past hour headlines. It couldn't have been live (because Doug was doing the LBC Breakfast show) so they must have been sent to Capital pre recorded. Perhaps it was available to all the ILRs ?
Not sure why Graham Dene didn’t read the headlines (apart from the fact Douglas always sounded great and familiar on all the stations he was used on).Michael Aspel was obviously already a famous newsreader but most of the others read headlines on the half hour for quite a while-not sure why unless it was part of the pay off for scrapping Capital’s own newsroom,I know the IBA were pretty strict on news output as with many other things.
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23/10/24 - 13:30 edited 23/10/24 - 13:31 #26042
Shrewn wrote: »
Radio Wyvern took IRN at the top of the hour and the local news was read straight afterwards. If a small station like that can hit the hour bang on I'm sure the might of the Beeb could manage it
I just don’t think the BBC currently have people in charge who are as bothered about things being timed to the second as they used to be.Just look at the mess their tv news channel is these days in the 10pm hour.You get most of the ten o’clock news which is then cut off,most of Newsnight which is then cut off and it just looks so shoddy and unprofessional.There is no way that something like that would have happened in the past-they would have made sure that programme junctions were organised so that you saw all of a programme without having to switch somewhere else for the last few minutes-and to have it happen twice within the same hour almost every night I find ridiculous.
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23/10/24 - 13:31 #26043
steepdrop wrote: »
Mark C wrote: »
steepdrop wrote: »
Robert Williams wrote: »
alex13 wrote: »
Radio 3 is back to normal and won't require a 1 or 6 sync. They just need to make sure 5L syncs in with R2, and this won't be difficult if the presenters start the news time like they did during COVID. I seem to remember 5L Breakfast didn't opt in to the Tina D summaries, they just had their two anchor presenters read the summaries, usually alternating between them for each story. If this still happens, then 5L will only need to sync with R2 between 9am and 11pm.
On the point about not running to time, 6M usually doesn't start its summaries on time. One could ask why doesn't 6M sync in with R2 while they are at it, however this wouldn't provide any cost saving as the same newsreader reads the 6M on the half hour, so may as well keep as is.
I think 5 Live has news summaries on the half hour throughout the day as well as on the hour? Could those end up being simulcast with 6 Music, otherwise who is going to read those summaries if there is only one newsreader across Radios 2, 5 and 6?
I remember when Capital had headlines on the half hour read by the DJ-long ago before the days of mass voicetracking!.
Although in the 70s, during Graham Dean's breakfast show, Douglas Cameron (of LBC/IRN) did the half past hour headlines. It couldn't have been live (because Doug was doing the LBC Breakfast show) so they must have been sent to Capital pre recorded. Perhaps it was available to all the ILRs ?
Not sure why Graham Dene didn’t read the headlines (apart from the fact Douglas always sounded great and familiar on all the stations he was used on).Michael Aspel was obviously already a famous newsreader but most of the others read headlines on the half hour for quite a while-not sure why unless it was part of the pay off for scrapping Capital’s own newsroom,I know the IBA were pretty strict on news output as with many other things.
You thinking melody before rebranded magic?
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23/10/24 - 14:04 #26044
alex13 wrote: »
jimbo wrote: »
Yes pips I meant sorry
R2 did provide 5 live news on the hour at breakfast from 16 March 2020.
6 music newsreader starts at 0700 reading half hourly news from then until 0939, then hourly on the half hour. Thus newsreader is on Radio 2 1000-1309 inclusiveThe 6 music final bulletin if any day is 2130.
Radio 2 news afternoon shift is 1400-2200 inclusive
Overnight 2300-9600, weekends 2309-0700 inclusiveI am not sure why the overnight newsreader has to stay on until 7am on weekends when they could just bring the first newsreader on from 7am as they would do on weekdays (to read the 6M). As a result, the second newsreader (i.e. 1400-2200 shift you describe) ends up being 1500-2200 at weekends instead, because of the first newsreader starting at 8 instead of 7, thus having a knock on effect. This could explain why the 2300 news isn't read on a Friday or Saturday so that the overnight newsreader can work 0000-0700 instead of 2300-0600?
Anyhow, when the changes come into effect next April, they will only require two of these newsreaders, not three; the overnight shift will axed. The overnight shift, incidentally, is the only one that is undertaken at NBH so they can double up with script writing (inc. for R4's NB); the other two daytime shifts are done from the Radio 2/6M studios.
Regarding the additional Breakfast newsreading shift, were they to share the summaries with 6M, they could probably do away with that one too...
You may be right.
There is a 2300 bulletin every night. On a Friday it appears before the Rock show, on a Saturday it is not in R2 due to SOTN but does go out on 5 live - sometimes live - sometimes delayed by a few minutes, as well as in local radio live.
The only R2 bulletin occasionally missed otherwise is Sunday 2100 if there is a Sunday Night is Music Night type show.
I thought the news in R2 was from the new studio where it's been since 8 January.
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steepdrop Posts: 8,270
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23/10/24 - 14:07 edited 23/10/24 - 14:10 #26045
occy wrote: »
steepdrop wrote: »
Mark C wrote: »
steepdrop wrote: »
Robert Williams wrote: »
alex13 wrote: »
Radio 3 is back to normal and won't require a 1 or 6 sync. They just need to make sure 5L syncs in with R2, and this won't be difficult if the presenters start the news time like they did during COVID. I seem to remember 5L Breakfast didn't opt in to the Tina D summaries, they just had their two anchor presenters read the summaries, usually alternating between them for each story. If this still happens, then 5L will only need to sync with R2 between 9am and 11pm.
On the point about not running to time, 6M usually doesn't start its summaries on time. One could ask why doesn't 6M sync in with R2 while they are at it, however this wouldn't provide any cost saving as the same newsreader reads the 6M on the half hour, so may as well keep as is.
I think 5 Live has news summaries on the half hour throughout the day as well as on the hour? Could those end up being simulcast with 6 Music, otherwise who is going to read those summaries if there is only one newsreader across Radios 2, 5 and 6?
I remember when Capital had headlines on the half hour read by the DJ-long ago before the days of mass voicetracking!.
Although in the 70s, during Graham Dean's breakfast show, Douglas Cameron (of LBC/IRN) did the half past hour headlines. It couldn't have been live (because Doug was doing the LBC Breakfast show) so they must have been sent to Capital pre recorded. Perhaps it was available to all the ILRs ?
Not sure why Graham Dene didn’t read the headlines (apart from the fact Douglas always sounded great and familiar on all the stations he was used on).Michael Aspel was obviously already a famous newsreader but most of the others read headlines on the half hour for quite a while-not sure why unless it was part of the pay off for scrapping Capital’s own newsroom,I know the IBA were pretty strict on news output as with many other things.
You thinking melody before rebranded magic?
No i’m talking way before that-i’m talking about mid to late 70’s and early 80’s on Capital.Yes,of course I remember the Melody presenters read the news bulletins too-the main bulletin on the hour in fact.
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23/10/24 - 16:41 edited 23/10/24 - 16:42 #26046
Shrewn wrote: »
Radio Wyvern took IRN at the top of the hour and the local news was read straight afterwards. If a small station like that can hit the hour bang on I'm sure the might of the Beeb could manage it
All the ILRs that took IRN live on the hour, managed it fine 99% of the time. LBC usually left two or three seconds of silence between the end of their news jingle, and the newsreader opening their mouth, to allow the opt in. I used to hear '.....and London's weather' a few times though after the bulletin though !
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23/10/24 - 17:05 #26047
alex13 wrote: »
jimbo wrote: »
Yes pips I meant sorry
R2 did provide 5 live news on the hour at breakfast from 16 March 2020.
6 music newsreader starts at 0700 reading half hourly news from then until 0939, then hourly on the half hour. Thus newsreader is on Radio 2 1000-1309 inclusiveThe 6 music final bulletin if any day is 2130.
Radio 2 news afternoon shift is 1400-2200 inclusive
Overnight 2300-9600, weekends 2309-0700 inclusiveI am not sure why the overnight newsreader has to stay on until 7am on weekends when they could just bring the first newsreader on from 7am as they would do on weekdays (to read the 6M). As a result, the second newsreader (i.e. 1400-2200 shift you describe) ends up being 1500-2200 at weekends instead, because of the first newsreader starting at 8 instead of 7, thus having a knock on effect. This could explain why the 2300 news isn't read on a Friday or Saturday so that the overnight newsreader can work 0000-0700 instead of 2300-0600?
Anyhow, when the changes come into effect next April, they will only require two of these newsreaders, not three; the overnight shift will axed. The overnight shift, incidentally, is the only one that is undertaken at NBH so they can double up with script writing (inc. for R4's NB); the other two daytime shifts are done from the Radio 2/6M studios.
Regarding the additional Breakfast newsreading shift, were they to share the summaries with 6M, they could probably do away with that one too...
We just don’t do news for UK. When clocks change too.
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